Yurki1000 (Jyrki) and Dajjal begin a discussion that was inspired by the post “Terror in Israel” written by Ari Bussel and posted on October 12, 2015. This particular post was located on my NCCR blog (I cross post on two other blogs). Ari gives a man-on-site description of Islamic terrorism up to October 12. Sadly the Jew-hatred Islamic terrorism is still ongoing as of today October 28.
This portion of Yurki/Dajjal comments with a few interjections by yours truly is a discussion primarily of the validity of Jewish heritage. I’ll be honest I line up more with Dajjal than Yurki’s train of thought, especially on the origin of the Jews. Yurki plants the beginnings of his thoughts of authentic Christianity. I have disagreements with Yurki, but I am very flexible on who I consider a Christian or a heretical Christian. As long as a person believes Jesus is the Son of God – fully man and fully God, died on the Cross, entombed as a man for three days and arising on the Third Day as fully man and fully God with His Divine prerogatives fully restore in a Glorified body sitting on the right hand of the Father.
In my humble opinion if anyone follows this simple faith they are a Christian, a part of the family of God by adoption through Christ and a citizen of the kingdom of God through Christ. Any variance beyond this dogmatic opinion not worth getting bent out of shape over.
Yurki and Dajjal Discussion based on ‘Terror in Israel’ Part 1
Posted on October 28, 2015
Edited by John R. Houk
What do my readers think? Who do need the temple of stone?
As I understand the real Jews and the real Christians do not need the hand-made temple. I think that the Jesuits and the Zionists need the third temple because they wait for their “christ” and “messiah”.
(43) I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-5-43/
I swear nothing but I Search & Share.
– The newest DNA scientific studies, showing that the people known as the Jews of Israel—and, indeed Jews all over the world—are, in fact, of Khazar, not Israelite origins, is backed by the earlier work of historians.
These historians found that their scholarly books and reports were immediately attacked by Zionists desperate to maintain the fiction that the Jews could trace their heritage all the way back to Abraham.
The Zionists knew the truth—that they are not a race but a composite of many races. They had to keep up the myth that they were a homogenous race kept together by religion and community interests for 5,000 years. Only in this way could the Zionist Jews claim to be the seed of Abraham. Only as “Israelites” could the Jews claim possession to land where they and their ancestors had never been.
The Zionists knew, too, that their genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians was not justified unless they, the Jews, had claim to the land. How else could they get the millions of evangelical Christians to support their horrible behavior?
If they were suspected of being converts to Judaism and not actually the tribes mentioned in the Bible, it was all over for them. Their Lie would be out—they would be seen for what they are—imposters. –
Dajjal on Yurki’s Jewish assertion
Horseradish! The genetic studies I have seen and believe indicate the presence of Cohanim in the Jewish population of Israel.
[Blog Editor: I did a little digging on the Jewish gene issue (certainly not comprehensive but good enough for me). As to the Ashkenazi (considered European) Jews, Yurki will contend that their origins are Khazar or African rather than Middle Eastern. Recent science refutes this to my satisfaction. A 2013 genetic study shows the a majority of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage is of a European origin BUT hardly anything to do with Khazars and of those European Jews nearly all of them showed Middle Eastern genetic markers. Thus also eliminating the African origination of the 12 tribes of Israel. Certainly after thousands of years of dispersion it is expected that Jewish Middle Easterners intermarried with the host nation they ended up in rather it was European, African, Hindi, Arabic etc. The intermarriage does NOT lessen the Jewish heritage to the Land of Promise made to Abraham to his lineage that was passed through Isaac and Jacob (renamed Israel by God Almighty).
The overwhelming majority of Jews living today should be able to trace their roots back to the Middle East with a little DNA testing, he maintains, and all those who claim otherwise, as far as he’s concerned, have their history wrong.
“We’re not interlopers who came here from Eastern Europe, and we’re not Serbs or Kazars,” says Greenspan. “You can use whatever polemic you want to discredit the Jews or discredit the nation, but saying that we weren’t here is a lie.”
Greenspan was referring to the controversial book written by Tel Aviv University historian Shlomo Sand, which asserts that the Jews of today did not originate in this part of the world and that a “nation-race” of Jews never existed. Most of today’s Jews, he argues in “The Invention of the Jewish People” (2008), are the descendants of people who lived elsewhere in the world and were converted to Judaism. However, a major study published two years later by Harry Ostrer, a medical geneticist from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, claims that many contemporary Jews do, indeed, have a distinctive genetic signature and can trace their ancestry back to the Middle East.
… In response to a question from Haaretz, Greenspan said he estimates that “No less than 75 percent of Ashkenazi, Sephardi or Mizrahi Jews, their ancestors came from what we call the general Middle East” – an assessment which he says is based on his company’s database.
… READ ENTIRETY (Genetics Expert Insists 75% of Jews Share Roots in Middle East; By Judy Maltz; Forward.com – Originally Haaretz; 11/14/14)
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews; By Kate Yandell; The Scientist; 10/8/13
"Kohen" Gene Proves Existence of Biblical Priestly Class; By Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz; Breaking Israel News; 9/30/15
Ashkenazi Jews descend from 350 people, study finds; By ANDREW TOBIN; Times of Israel; 9/10/14]
Yurki1000 to Dajjal
[Blog Editor: A long the lines of Yurki’s thoughts of racial Judaism it is my humble opinion Act 7:43 may be taken out of context. Check out the entire context:
38 “This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us, 39 whom our fathers would not obey, but rejected. And in their hearts they turned back to Egypt, 40 saying to Aaron, ‘Make us gods to go before us; as for this Moses who brought us out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.’[c] 41 And they made a calf in those days, offered sacrifices to the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. 42 Then God turned and gave them up to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the Prophets:
‘Did you offer Me slaughtered animals and sacrifices during forty years in the wilderness,
O house of Israel?
43 You also took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
And the star of your god Remphan,
Images which you made to worship;
And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.’[d]
44 “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, 45 which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, 46 who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built Him a house.
48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50 Has My hand not made all these things?’[e]
51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. 52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who foretold the coming of the Just One, of whom you now have become the betrayers and murderers, 53 who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.” (Acts 7: 37-53 NKJV)
When Israel was in disobedience they sinned against God. The same standard applies to professing Christians. The Blessings and Promises made to the descendants of Abraham onward through Isaac and Jacob (renamed Israel) are in effect for Christians by the Redeeming Blood of Jesus adopting and engrafting into the Jewish lineage via the Tribe of Judah.]
Thanks Dajjal. I’m learning :-)
“No Star Of David”
[Blog Editor: The Google Search link above associates the Star of David with the star the pagan god Molech represented. Again when “Molech” was worshipped by the Hebrew tribes it was an act of disobedience. Frankly I don’t know where the “Star of David” came from, but if it is something chosen by David I have doubts that a Molech association was made since David is recorded as being a man after God’s own heart.]
Yurki jokes about Dajjal’s “Horseradish” comment with a Youtube on the horseradish chord of a piano.
A Further Dajjal Comment to Yurki1000
Although membership in the Jewish community has, since at least the second century CE, been passed maternally (see: Who is a Jew?), tribal identity, and membership in the group that originally comprised the Jewish priesthood (Cohen or Kohen; plural: Cohanim or Kohanim), has been patrilineal. Modern Kohanim claim descent from a biblical person, Aaron, brother of Moses, in the direct lineage from Levi, the patriarch of the Tribe of Levi, great grandson of Abraham, according to the tradition codified in the Tanakh (שמות / Sh'mot/Exodus 6). DNA testing is aiding scholars to trace the lineages found among modern Jewish populations, including contemporary Cohen families, to decipher origins of the people groups who were joined to the ancient Israelites and to identify genetic admixture and genetic drift.
One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), while frequent amongst Cohens, also appears in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond. Thus, while many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely Cohen connection at all.
On the other hand, Jewish populations were found to have a "markedly higher" proportion of full 6/6 matches, according to the same (2005) meta-analysis, compared to these non-Jewish populations, where "individuals matching at only 5/6 markers are most commonly observed". READ ENTIRETY [Blog Editor: Article initially casts doubt on Jewish gene, but essentially confirms Jewish gene.]
Calculations based on the high rate of genetic similarity of today’s Kohanim resulted in the highest “paternity-certainty” rate ever recorded in population genetics studies—a scientific testimony to family faithfulness.
Wider genetic studies of diverse present day Jewish communities show a remarkable genetic cohesiveness. Jews from Iran, Iraq, Yemen, North Africa and European Ashkenazim all cluster together with other Semitic groups, with their origin in the Middle East. A common geographical origin can be seen for all mainstream Jewish groups studied.
This genetic research has clearly refuted the once-current libel that the Ashkenazi Jews are not related to the ancient Hebrews, but are descendants of the Kuzar tribe--a pre-10th century Turko-Asian empire which reportedly converted en masse to Judaism. Researchers compared the DNA signature of the Ashkenazi Jews against those of Turkish-derived people, and found no correspondence. … READ ENTIRETY [Blog Editor: Confirms my train of thought.]
[Same article as above, just a different website]
[Blog Editor: Article entitled, “Studies of Cohens and Levites”. Although the article claims a 2013 last update, a quick perusal will show the most recent data is 2006. That means the conclusions are not up to date; nevertheless I am certain Dajjal is confirming the Jewish gene.]
Our Finn exchange student in HS was fluent in English. A couple of old Finns serving in the cafeteria at college knew no English. But Dr. Armos Holmio who taught geography, was fluent in 17 languages. His thick accent made listening difficult.
Moe waged war against Jewish settlements in and around Yathrib. If those were not Jews, Jibril would have told him. ;-)
Yurki1000 to Dajjal
Dajjal. I don’t know Cohens. Maybe I can’t combine things but I Search & Share. I thank God for you and Oneway2day :-)
– The results of the DNA studies [of the Lemba people of South Africa] were stunning: a significant portion of the Lemba Y chromosomes exhibit the characteristic genetic signature found in the cohanim, including more than 50 percent of the Buba, one of the 12 Lemba clans. These markers have also turned up in the Bene Israel, the oldest Jewish community in India…” (excerpts from pages 182-183) –
A Further Dajjal Comment to Yurki1000
Jews migrated, were exiled and did some mixing. Israel has recognized and accepted Ethiopian and Indian Jews.
Yurki1000 Comments to Dajjal
I Search & Share. I swear nothing. You are the judge :)
TY Dajjal. I was thinking. Does anybody know JACOB’s genes?
– The children of Jacob spawned the Judeo-Christian people, with their nurturing ethic and a culture of caring for others. Jacob was a man of the flocks and herds. He was to be found near the tents of Isaac, his father, and Rebekkah his mother. He was drawn into the character and ways of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That was the way it was way back at the beginning. And that is the way it remains today. –
– After the passing of King David and King Solomon King Rehoboam took the throne of Israel. Solomon had married hundreds of foreign wives who brought their idolatrous religion into Israel. The compromise with all these gods of the surrounding nations was now beginning to take its spiritual toll. The glory of Israel was departing. Israel was in serious decline. And as always happens to a kingdom when the glory is departing, the financial power went down with it. And so the royal tribe of Judah in the south was trying to compensate for this using the ways of this world. –
– Rejecting the traditions of all movements, Christian or otherwise (Col.2:8), the New Covenant Church of God elected at its inception that it would follow only the teachings of God, His Son Jesus Christ, the prophets and the apostles — in other words, the Word of God. Trusting as we do in words of eternal life (John 6:68), we declare: “Let God be true, and every man a liar”! –
– This website lays a strong emphasis on deliverance ministries on account of the accute demonisation of society caused by a resurgence of paganism and false religion. Any theology and spiritual system that ignores these truths and principles is doomed from the start. We often highlight those things which ... READ THE REST at NCCR Blog